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Guy Savage to face US export charges
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

State prison? I think you mean federal prison. I think you mean 140 years too, that's what they're threatening him with.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am happy to defer to your superior knowledge of American prisons.

One hundred and forty years ? More than happy.

With parole he'll be out in a hundred.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given he has no real ties to the US anymore I'm sure he would apply for a transfer to the UK and it would probably be granted, so he'd only serve 50% of his sentence.

Never really understood why Conrad Black didn't do that. Probably because he does have some ties to the US.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Court rules extradition is allowed.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet more.

Kneel Sir Guy of Harrow, holder of the magic paperwork and bottomless shipping container...
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, unfortunately, it seems that this has now progressed, not in Guy's favour:

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HARROW OBSERVER

Extradition order for alleged arms dealer approved

Feb 6 2012 By Hannah Bewley

THE home secretary has signed an order approving the extradition of an alleged arms dealer from Pinner.

Guy Savage, of Daymer Gardens was arrested last February on suspicion of gun smuggling and fraud relating to allegations of false documents being used while importing and exporting arms.

On the January 27 Theresa May signed the order after a magistrate ruled there was no legal bar to extradition.

Mr Savage, 42, has until Monday 13 February to appeal to the High Court against the decision and if he doesn't he will be extradited to Tennessee, USA to stand trial.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately ?
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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the actual ruling.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have I missed anything ?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There doesn't seem to be any news on whether or not he has been extradited. I'm sure if he has been though, we would have heard about it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's been appealing it, this was the most recent ruling: http://www.crimeline.info/uploads/cases/2012ewhc3317admin.pdf

I assume he's going to the Courts of Appeal next.

As I recall, fighting the extradition can lead to tougher sentencing in the US on conviction.

I have to admit I'm no expert on US sentencing but iirc you can get the sentence reduced to something like 10% of what they've threatened you with, which is what the judgement is on about when it comes to the evidence about the US forcing people to plead guilty, because if you plead not guilty they threaten you with forever in prison. So if you're threatened with 140 years, you could get 14 years and in Guy's case maybe get transferred to the UK which would mean you serve 50% of that.

I have a feeling that's what the judge was thinking regarding the comment about not seeing his daughters again, I'd say he's got a good chance of being transferred back to the UK if I understand how it works correctly.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grand Jury indictment.

Found this on the web.

You read through it and wonder why the hell he did it, one of the main things they've got him on is exporting bolt catches without an export licence, well to begin with I thought perhaps they meant bolt carriers, but there's no way 500 bolt carriers would be worth only $1,875. Why not just get a licence?

Also lots of flash hiders, presumably because in 2003 the State Dept. was very reluctant to grant licences to export them because they were used to assemble "assault weapons". And barrel blanks?? Rolling Eyes

The bit about suppressors is a bit mind boggling as well.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

During one of Guy Savage's court appearances during the 90s, his former employer from when he worked for Conjay Firearms apparently described him as a cowboy who tried to circumvent the paperwork.

Sounds like not much has changed.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would I be correct in saying at this point, the 14 year deal he was offered at the beginning is no longer on the table? From what you said Steve, that horse has long since bolted from the stable? And Bob, it sounds like he's never learned either.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not even sure where he is at this point, awaiting trial in Tennessee presumably. I'll have to ask around.

But after what happened with Stag Arms I think the DoJ is unlikely to be in an accommodating mood.
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