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Dealer convicted in Sydney of illegal ammunition sale

 
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:33 pm    Post subject: Dealer convicted in Sydney of illegal ammunition sale Reply with quote

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This sounds like a new interpretation of the law. So you can't train a new shooter with ammunition they've bought, so how do you do it, load the gun and let them use it only under supervision? And charge them for the training? Because the exemption only extends to a "guest"?

Convict him of that and it makes the prosecution of the person who failed to supervise her easier.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More info.

It does sound like some obtuse legal interpretation. I read through the pistol club regulations and it's very vague on how clubs allow members to use guns, so they can loan them but not sell ammunition for use with them, which is not obvious. In fact if you read through it, it looks as though the main advantage of being a pistol club in NSW is that it's possible to get a probationary handgun licence.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the second article "Another man, who owned handcuffs without a licence"

A licence for handcuffs???
I wonder what they accept as good reason.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always think people who say one of the reasons they're emigrating to Australia is to escape crazy gun laws have clearly not read up on it.

NSW Firearms Act

That's the law for one State, without the regulations, which are fantastically complex (literally dozens of different types of permit). Look at the end for the schedule of prohibited firearms and the list of amendments! (All those Acts since 1996). And if you look through it further you find that licences for various non-prohibited firearms are next to impossible to get.

Because the police power is reserved to the States in Australia, the only power the Federal Govt. has is the customs power, so the customs law dealing with firearms in Australia is also fantastically complex, when handguns can be imported, how many, how many can be stored by a dealer, what kind of order he must have from a customer before he can remove one from a bonded warehouse, etc.

This is a country with a third of the population of the UK.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob wrote:
From the second article "Another man, who owned handcuffs without a licence"

A licence for handcuffs???
I wonder what they accept as good reason.


Knock yourself out - http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/sessionalview/sessional/act/1998-127.pdf

The list of weapons is in Schedule 1. I suppose one could argue at least they have a permit procedure for collectors and so on, which you don't have under the Criminal Justice Act 1988, but the permit isn't cheap (Prohibited Weapons Order 2009) and the list of "weapons" is much broader. Look at the list of prohibited magazines for example.

54 sections and three schedules just for that! Shocked
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even slingshots are on the prohibited list. Rolling Eyes

More proof that lawyers & liberty are mutually exclusive.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The good news is that there's no armed crime in Australia. I mean, this gun control stuff actually works, doesn't it? They wouldn't just impose it because they are small minded pinheads would they?
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