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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:08 pm    Post subject: Paris Reply with quote

Article.

God knows what is going to happen with the European Firearms Directive now. It's not going to be good for shooters, that seems certain. Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since the attackers clearly did not buy their full auto AKs from any legal source, you are probably right that a pointless crackdown is on the way. Muslims must not be offended at any cost, law abiding shooters, less so.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://ukshootingnews.wordpress.com/2015/11/17/the-eu-will-publish-a-total-semi-auto-rifle-ban-proposal-tomorrow/

What do you make of this Steve? Do you reckon any EU members will stand for it? Seems like Finland and Poland are the first? Any possibility its just a rumour or the Finnish and Polish Gov's are leaking the proposals to Embarass the EU bureaucrats into abandoning it?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He does tend to put a bit of a dramatic spin on his articles, what they're talking about is making it harder to get Category B semi-auto rifles, which basically means any semi-auto rifle with a fixed magazine of more than two rounds or a detachable magazine or which has the "appearance" of being a military firearm.

Until we actually see the proposal in writing, it's hard to say really. I find it hard to believe there's going to be a EU-wide ban on 10/22s though. And if there is, it's going to be the French pushing it, not the UK, although they'll be happy to go along, I'm sure.

I'm more worried about their proposals in relation to deacs. Their "common" standard as currently written is incredibly restrictive and not really workable as they assume all guns are made out of metal.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make a note: Find your MEPs. (Bear in mind this search tool is a bit crap, whoever designed it clearly didn't know the difference between a county and a region).

Prepare to shock and amaze them by writing to them.

"What prey tell is this? An e-mail from a constituent?" Shocked

In fact if you're in the mood, you may as well write to them now and ask them to reject any restrictive changes to the EFD.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-15-6110_en.htm

Talking of a complete ban on "certain semi automatic weapons" even if deactivated.
Presumably meaning ones that look like full auto?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sounded like they wanted to put cab b in the same state as a. In other words illegal. We have to fight this . Which countries are gonna come out against this in the Euro besides Poland and Finland.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It says specifically stuff from B(7) would go to Category A and Category A firearms would be completely banned, the only exception would be museums could have deactivated Category A firearms. When we say "completely banned", that would mean deacs, the lot.

B(7) is: "Semi-automatic firearms for civilian use which resemble weapons with automatic mechanisms." So S&W M&P 15-22 for example.

The only slightly bright spot is that the deac standard is based on the UK deac standard, the only major difference is that magazines have to be welded in place, which is no doubt to satisfy the French, as 11+ magazines are subject to licensing there (slide stops would have to be welded in place, but that seems to be a consequence of the magazine being welded in place). If that was implemented, then presumably interstate trade in deacs would finally be legal.

Time to write to MEPs.

So oppose the move of stuff from B(7) to A, and also the ban on deactivated category A firearms. And the requirement to register most remaining deacs with the police (yes that's in there, they want to move them to Category C).
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theresa May talks nonsense.

Yes because clearly they went into the local gun shop in Belgium to buy their Kalashnikovs. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Folks, go further - you need to go and see your MEPs imv. They're all buried under correspondence about the TTP.

Am I reading this wrong? They actually seem to be saying that the IWM and the Royal Armouries should deactivate their collections because ISIS might get their hands on them.

It's completely mad.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's all kinds of nastiness in this thing, it bans private sales of Category B and C firearms over the internet for example, so say you put your rifle for sale in the exchange section of this forum, that would be an offence. Shocked

"Standard" medical tests would be required. What does that mean?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guns were made in Yugoslavia.

So probably leftovers from the civil war that were smuggled into Belgium.

I'm sure amending the EFD will put a stop to that. Rolling Eyes

German police arrest alleged dealer.

Being a Daily Express article I'd take it with a pinch of salt. And the SPAS 12 is no longer made and is semi-automatic...
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